Author Topic: Pink and gold cups (Read 10211 times)

Elaine · « **on:** August 16, 2007, 10:58:21 AM »

These are beautiful cups and I just love them! I would love to know what is written inside them, too!

I'm going to try to see if I can identify the marks from the amazing site Sue has posted here, but I'm not too good at that sort of thing, so I'd really appreciate it if someone else would have a go for me, as well - two heads being better than one as my old mum used to say!

Elaine · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2007, 11:18:31 AM »

In case anyone wants to help with this

(Pretty please?

) I thought I'd better add a larger pic of the marks on the base, and point out that I believe they are in fact Japanese.

Anne · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:31:05 PM »

I know zilch about Japanese characters but I did manage to find two sites which might prove useful Elaine.
http://www.e-yakimono.net/guide/index.html & http://www.gotheborg.com/marks/index_jap_marks.htm (both added to LINKS.)

Martyn · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2007, 01:01:31 PM »

well they're known as yunomi (tea cup) as you probably knew and the bottom mark is Nippon (Japan) I think? so maybe that's one down

edit..I take that back it looks like just the second half of Nippon meaning 'Hon' and should have a square with a line through 'Nichi' to make the full word, sorry.

Elaine · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2007, 01:45:12 PM »

I thought the lower mark was 'Nippon', Martyn $:-\$

Martyn · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2007, 02:20:52 PM »

Lets say it's an abbreviated version then

that would make me feel less stupid...

Mosquito · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2008, 07:49:30 PM »

The text on the inside of these cups is in Chinese hanzi. The bottom mark is not Nippon, It is a single character 'mu' (wood) in Chinese (I don't know the Japanese pronunciation), very similar to the character appearing in 'Nippon' but lacking a horizontal stroke towards the bottom of the middle vertical. I can make out a 'jiu' (9) in the top right but can't recognise the other characters.

I can't be sure whether the cups are Chinese or Japanese, the poem on the inside makes me lean towards Chinese but not being able to fully decipher the hanzi on the base I can't be 100% certain at this stage.

Tigerchips · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2008, 08:52:06 PM »

Kutani Sake Cups?

keith · « **Reply #8 on:** January 14, 2010, 05:30:31 PM »

The top two on the right are the Kutani 'marks' the rest I couldn't say,Keith

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2010, 07:43:06 PM »

Sure would be nice to find out what the inside does say.....so the saga continues...

I do not know Chinese or Japanese (English) and THOSE WORD translated, equal =:

我不懂漢語或日语 (in Chinese)
私は中国語か日本語を知らない ( in Japanese)

I cheated -- I used Babelfish.....

olesparkleyes · « **Reply #10 on:** February 23, 2010, 04:17:37 PM »

Fabulous Elaine
Poetry would make sense. I have a book on Chinese poetry but it's all in English.
Did you perhaps inherit them from a well travelled aunt ?
;-) Pete

keith · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2010, 08:52:25 PM »

Sure these are Japanese,the Kutani marks are common on various types of pottery and porcelain,(will try and find the other marks in my books,I may be gone for some time!)
Keith.

Anne · « **Reply #12 on:** February 24, 2010, 03:25:49 AM »

Methinks Pete is teasing Elaine, Keith. (They're old friends!)

keith · « **Reply #13 on:** February 24, 2010, 08:47:16 PM »

Got it,it says 'Kutani Kaburagi'....made at Kaburagi(kutani region) in Kanazawa,pottery made from 1800 to the present day,I think,
Keith.

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2010, 09:45:08 AM »

Is that what it says?

keith · « **Reply #15 on:** February 27, 2010, 02:09:47 PM »

Top left 'Kutani' the other two Kaburagi,had it confirmed by someone who knows a lot more than me,
Keith.

olesparkleyes · « **Reply #16 on:** February 27, 2010, 03:04:51 PM »

teasing

? Moi

?
I'm sure the Japanese had poetry too and I was of course referring to the mass of characters on the inside. I assume Keith it translating the marks on the base.
I have a Kutani plate confirmed by a member of Gotheborg, Meiji period.
Here's the mark

olesparkleyes · « **Reply #17 on:** February 27, 2010, 03:14:56 PM »

I can see one character the same.
There could be other(s). Its very difficult to compare foreign scripts but especially so when with different hand writing styles and moreso again when a cursive less formal script is used as with mine.
I can read Russian in capital letters but in lower case I'm lost. Hand-writing ? Forget it !!

keith · « **Reply #18 on:** February 27, 2010, 04:03:01 PM »

The top two characters Pete posted,Kutani) can look quite different on various 'pots' the last character is 'zo', 'sei' or 'tsukeru' and can mean made,create,cause to be etc...
with around 10,000 kanji characters and 96 in the phoentic alphabet Japanese is none to easy,Keith.

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2010, 07:57:21 PM »

....all Greek to me....lol.
Glad people here know about Chinese writing. That is a +++++++++