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Offline olesparkleyes

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Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« on: February 23, 2010, 04:24:01 PM »
Blanc de Chine (? definition)
porcelain Scribe's female assistant / servant figure with lidded inkwell & brush pot behind her back.
Date / era ?
Chinese or English / European copying Chinese ?
Red ink dash on base - I think implies Chinese ?
In her left hand, I originally thought was scrolled paper but looking closely looks more like a bunch of sticks !!
Burned to provide ash for blotting ?
Right hand - Lotus flower ?
Photo of base to follow
Pic:-
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/Vetrissimo/CeramicsResearch#5437430092755475746
Thank you
Pete

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 08:59:49 PM »
Have seen a number of Blanc de Chine pieces and unless this is quite new I don't think it is,best I can do,sorry,Keith

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 10:38:09 PM »
Thanks Keith
Have you come across any definitions of Blanc de Chine ?
I'd like to learn how this differs. Thanks again Pete

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2010, 01:03:07 AM »
Will dig out some pic's and post them,I think they will explain better,Keith

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 02:27:16 PM »
Thank you Keith.
The more I research this the more complex & confusing it becomes. Initially I found references to translucent white and milky white but I now find that "blanc de chine" can come in a wide range of "whites" as well as other colours !!!
Pete

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 04:16:49 PM »
Always thought Blanc de Chine came in 'blanc',white if my French serves me right,this is a good piece,

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2010, 06:18:28 PM »
Is your piece the goddess of mercy, Quan Yin (also spelled Kwan Yin, Kuanyin, Guanyin) ?
"The emphasis on Guanyin cannot be too great when we realise that, even today, nine blanc de Chine figures out of every ten represent that goddess in one or other of her manifestations."
http://www.holymtn.com/gods/BlancdeChine.htm

Apparently blanc de Chine refers specifically to production at Dehua, of whatever period or exact colour, however the colour has been mainly if not exclusively (shades of) white since the end of the Song dynasty and the coming of the Mongols. It would have been named as such loooooong after that.

As to colours the same site says:
"White porcelain always has enjoyed favor among the Chinese. Some writers have attributed this to its resemblance to white jade. However, if there is to be a resemblance to other material, that material is surely ivory."

"Chemical analysis of Dehua ceramics reveals that all bodies of Dehua porcelain are very dense, and the density and the whiteness are comparable with modern white porcelains. "

"There can be infinite gradations in the shades of white, and two pieces of blanc de Chine placed side by side are rarely the same color. "

The shades of white include:
ivory-white - brownish tinge (best quality)
goose-down white - yellow tinge
creamy white
bluish white
pinkish, shrimp-like translucent white
green tinged white

One of the reasons which lead me to believe that my piece may be blanc de Chine is that, of non-devotional production, a major sector of domestic demand has been scholars. Mentioned in this category, in several places have been brush pots and "appurtenances" for writing and painting.

It's quite understandable if items in this category were not made to quite the high standards of devotional figurals but I was impressed with the very fine depiction of the right hand. Hands are always very difficult in art of any kind.
It was bought very cheaply so I would not be disappointed it it does not have great value but I like it and find it interesting. I'd still like to find out more about it.

More pics on the next bright day, whenever that may be.
Pete 

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 06:43:22 PM »
Spot on,early 14th century,your knowledge of the subject is far more than mine,I'm a Satsuma addict, when not collecting glass,
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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 07:59:18 PM »
Wow === very informative stuff here.  Thanks  :clap: :clap:
Every flower that has ever bloomed, had to go through a whole lot of DIRT FIRST......:flowers2:      
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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2010, 12:03:13 PM »
New & more pics incl one of base - arrow forward
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/Vetrissimo/CeramicsResearch#5443326217989112578

I can't ascertain any tinge of any colour in the glaze at all so am thinking now that its not even recent Blanc de Chine production and just a nice piece of tourist ware.
Thanks for your help Keith
Pete

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2010, 08:04:43 PM »
I have one all in white and i think it's probably German or French in origin, But i'm going off someone else's ID that was in an auction so I'm not exactly sure.

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2010, 10:14:56 PM »
Thats interesting Tiger, Its certainly a similar style of thing.
Is it also an ink pot ?
Does it have a similar style base as mine ?
Pete

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2010, 11:14:00 PM »
I'm not sure but i think it's a lamp base, there's a hole running through it and out the other end. It's doesn't have a similar style base as it's hollow underneath.

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Re: Blanc de Chine ? Inkwell & Scribe's servant
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2010, 11:39:13 PM »
Trouble is one piece of white porcelain is bound to look like another and without any other similarities I don't think this is taking us anywhere, unfortunately.
Additionally, although western makers have done eastern style figurals they tend to be somewhat stylized, whereas my ink pot does seem to be very "chinese Chinese" if that makes sense.
Thanks anyway
P

 

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