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Silver Ware approx 1750
« on: October 10, 2007, 12:56:35 PM »
Hi, in reguards to my some of my *roots*, we have silverware (flatware) that is marked with the Lion Passat.  I do not have photos in digital camera, only on regular film.

They are something similar to these ( http://www.bexfield.co.uk/02/d491.htm).   The forks/knives have shell/scalloped ends.   I believe them to be referred to as pistal grip handles but the blade has a scapulor hump on the top of the blade.  Sort of similar to these ( http://www.bexfield.co.uk/04/f269.htm ), but ours are wider, with a hump on it..

I contacted both LEEDS MUSUEM, and ALBERT and VICTORIA MUSEUM in reguards to them, since they also have a family crest on them. We have the provence for them.  We are the 9 generation.  Unfortunely, it is not a complete set, as we have documentation that the set was broken up in 1821, and to whom they were given to.  My Mom's Aunt, Mother, Mother was one of them on the list.

Anyways, I have been doing Geneology, and the Man whom started it all is from GERMANY.  See the web page here.  OR, I should say this man's *father* was the one who originnaly got the silverware, then handed to this son listed here.  There was a Senior named George, and a Junior named  George...it is junior George listed here.  He became a shipping merchant here in Canada, and the first millionaire here (sorry-nothing left to me...lol...I'm the poor one,  :boohoo: that why I go to garage sales...lol )
http://www.musee-mccord.qc.ca/scripts/explore.php?Lang=1&tableid=18&tablename=fond&elementid=23__true

Anyways, I thought I would mention this here since he was from Germany....so I have some German in my *ROOTS*

If I can scan, or something- my photos, I will post.......BTW, :bny: We should post silvermarks here, or somewhere  ???

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Re: Silver Ware approx 1750
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2007, 01:51:56 PM »
I went to dig out the regular photos.  The lion passant on ours is in a little box, with the tops clipped.  There is a little tick down in the middle at the bottom, the other mark, looks like a scolloped S or G...but we have never been able to figure it out as that is where it is worn....and after all, when the set was set, we have only 3 knives, and 3 forks.....and we can only see two sets of marks, the Lion Passant, and the letter one....we have never found another set of marks on it, whether they were rubbed off...as this is where one always hold a fork, and knife....not like  8), as his were never worn if they were underneath...just the opposite here, these were worn on the marks, as for being held....

Anyways, i had taken the photos by a ruler--the forks are approx 9 inches long, while the knives are 11 inches long (and a bit).  The crest that is on the is of one hand, which is called a "CUFFED and CUBIT HAND holding an arrow".  It is my understanding, that all these crest mean something....like whether the hand is open or not, etc,etc...

God..I wish I could jam these into the  :comp: for you to see....

The shank, or back of the blade on the knives has a hump on it, and it quite wide.  The Victoria and Albert Museum sent me a copy of a rare, and old silverware that they have there, and confirmed that they do not even have a set of these, and in fact, requested I go to the Royal Ontario Musuem to have the curtator look at them...but we never did, that only like 4 provinces away....

The forks are two prong, with a bulbous middle part, where the joint meets the silver.  I was also told by the V & A Museum that it was rare to find a set intact, as i guess the knife/fork part of the flatware is steel, and in those days, they would not stay too well put in the silver end...

Anyways, I must be boring you with-out digital pixs...and these are in the safe, under lock and key.... :-X

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Re: Silver Ware approx 1750
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 08:03:04 AM »
Hi,
Without an image of the marks, cant help too much, but these may be later than 1750, and the two lettering runs for London around Pozer's time are 1773, and 1782. Previous date letter cycle did not include the letter S. I'd favour the later date and possibly purchased prior to going to Canada.
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Re: Silver Ware approx 1750
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 10:33:25 PM »
Yeah, I know without a pix...but hoping they are coming.  It could be a scalloped "g" to...as it is hard to read, since this is right where hands would be holding them.. We do have the provence with them for the last 9 generations, and when they were split up, and all the family names, that is why I can *match* the names I have with this:  http://www.musee-mccord.qc.ca/scripts/explore.php?Lang=1&tableid=18&tablename=fond&elementid=23__true

I had contacted Leeds Museum in 1999, about these, and have a lovely letter.  I will have to get the letter out, and just put some of his points, and what his name was.  I could take a pic of the letter too, and post it, but I can not get close with my camera/phone (as you tell from all my other pics).  Leeds could not find the family crest then, but like I said that was back in 1999 when I wrote them....I have discovered more such as the was a slight name change when they came to Canada...I also have found out where the *familyplot* is too.  I have located other desccendants here in Canada both down east(toronto).....and the far west (British columbia).  One guy was even schocked that I could name his relatives....

I will try to get pic, but they are under lock, and key a distance away from where I am...i will do my best.

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Re: Silver Ware approx 1750
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2007, 08:57:21 AM »
Hi Rose,  www.linkpendium.com/genealogy/USA/sur/surc-P/surc-Poz -  is this of any interest?
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Re: Silver Ware approx 1750
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2007, 10:34:39 AM »
 :clap: :clap: yes, that will.  Thanks  :kissy:.  Here is a little Canadian article I had found already.  It is all in French, and  I can figure out a word or two  :-\, and thank godness the names are like English.  The one problem that I run into, is that back then they used so many of the same names...like there is a (Jean)George Sr., and then a George Jr....there are two Georgina in the family by I think two sisters naming each of their girls this name  :-\ Plus the name changed over the years....

So here is a little booklet written here about our family roots, and the past....after they immgrated.  This was on my Mom's side...

 http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=363561  at slide image page 18 (booklet page 19), is where the history I know starts 9 generations ago, as we already have documented.
Interesting stuff, but hard, and detailed......could drive me to  :beer:

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