Author Topic: Chad Valley globe (Read 18940 times)

antiquerose123 · « **on:** January 17, 2008, 02:25:25 PM »

Got this metal globe at a garage sale for .50 cents. All metal, says made by Chad Valley England, and has a notation for the appointment for Her Majesty the Queen (HMQ).

Found one on Ebay just now 290197957066 (Now I can see where u all are

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Add: And it just found this....see I have so many things do look up here, that when I post, I have to look. Anyways this site http://museum.woolworths.co.uk/cvtoys.htm is very interesting.

I JUST found out that this was from WOOLWORTHS, and can be dated *PRECISELY TO 1939*, and says about the royal warrant on it. It is also listed on this site under *toys*. Gee when you watch the Antiques Roadshow and see what some of the toys go for....this could be a little sleeper of a collectible here.

I mean put it all together: Toy, warranted, metal (litho), from Wool-Worths, and dated to 1939...I think my .50 cents may have been a good investiment

Sue C · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:36:09 PM »

Some history about Chad Valley Rose http://museum.woolworths.co.uk/cvtoys.htm

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:43:05 PM »

Hate to

on your globe but it depends who the Royal Warrant is for, HRH QE 2 was only 12 in 1939. Chad Valley also didn't join up with Woolworths until 1988

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2008, 03:02:51 PM »

I wasn't being mean....I had to get it too, so I typed that in before I went to go get it...

It says.... (shaking in my boots -- looking for some poop to fall on me)

"BY APPOINTMENT TOY MAKERS TO HER MAJESTY QUEEN ELIZABETH THE QUEEN MOTHER"

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2008, 03:10:16 PM »

So it appears that is *classified* as a toy too...

So does that mean that the Queen Mother, had this done for her daughter as a toy?

And now I can look at the globe to see where you all are....I just *tickled* your country SUE C.

mrmoosehead · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2008, 03:13:42 PM »

I remember reading some time back that pre 1950s globes were an up and coming collectable! So looks like you have a bargain there. Good way to age a globe is look at Europe and see is Germany is split in 2. If it's one then it's pre 1945. Or post 1990s
Also look at Africa, on yours Rose the Belgians still had power over The Belgian Congo, but only from 1908 till 1960. Have to do your Geography on these things.
M

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2008, 03:47:46 PM »

so how many germany are there (Sorry i was PM'ing, and we now have a "Read the last post" link...

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Please advise on the changes in the map/countries, so i can look at the map here.

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2008, 04:10:50 PM »

Quote from: Pip on January 17, 2008, 03:51:06 PM

It's kind of irrelevant Rose because it can't be dated earlier than 1953 - the Queen Mother wasn't called that until after the Coronation of her daughter.

Not really...as i have a misprinted coins, misprinted tinware, and a misprinted Willow ware plate....which I did post here

Errors could/and do happen...If you say it was after 1953 what is to say that the map of the globe was not changed correctly....

Errors, misprints happen all the time.....

Anne · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2008, 05:10:01 PM »

Hi Rose, I have one of these as well, which was bought for my brother when he was around 8, which would put it to around 1972, so probably later than yours in reference to what Martin said about the Congo being still governed by Belgium.

Looking at how the countries have changed over time is the best way to date these as they were updated after major political boundary changes (e.g. division of Germany in 1949 and subsequent reunification in 1990) and country name changes, e.g. when Siam became Thailand (1949), or Persia became Iran (1935) and so on.

Certainly the earliest yours would be is 1953 as the title Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother just did not exist until then - it was a title specially created for her mother by Queen Elizabeth II after her coronation, rather than being an earlier title handed down like other royal titles are. I found a reference on the Made in Birmingham website here: http://www.madeinbirmingham.org/chadvalley.htm which explains the Royal Warrant given to Chad Valley, which says...

Quote from: http://www.madeinbirmingham.org/chadvalley.htm

In 1938 the Chad Valley Company was granted the Royal Warrant of Appointment, 'Toymakers to Her Majesty the Queen'. Interestingly, in 1953, after the coronation of Queen Elizabeth 11, this warrant was changed to 'Toymakers to Her Majesty the Queen Mother'.

Hope this helps.

Tony H · « **Reply #9 on:** January 18, 2008, 07:23:44 AM »

Hi Guys

Can I say something,I think Rose was hoping her globe, although it had a Royal warrant circa 1953 on the stand, was the globe printed with the correct country's for 1953.

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 18, 2008, 07:50:58 AM »

Quote from: Tony H on January 18, 2008, 07:23:44 AM

Hi Guys

Can I say something,I think Rose was hopping her globe, although it had a Royal warrant circa 1953 on the stand, was the globe printed with the correct countrys for 1953.

Thanks Tony H -- Exactly. $:-\$

They may have printed part of the stands with the *New* Changes, but did they use the existing (for cheaper costs) the old globe part with incorrect countries on it. Just like in the Coin World....errors.

Thank you Tony.

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2008, 09:55:48 AM »

Quote from: Pip on January 18, 2008, 09:30:21 AM

well it's very easy to ascertain if it is an old globe on a newer stand. Rose, tell us what the situation is with regard to Germany on your globe - do you just have one Germany or is it divided into East and West?

Sorry, I had it too large every time...hopefully this works

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 18, 2008, 10:11:41 AM »

And for Thailand it says: (Like this):

THAILAND
( SIAM )

And you can see that it show Iran/Persia like this:

IRAN
PERSIA

mrmoosehead · « **Reply #13 on:** January 18, 2008, 10:14:32 AM »

I think it is between 1956 and 1960 for the globe and the stand any date from 1953. I think you are right in saying errors are made and this may be an newer globe fitted to an older stand, either to make it look older or the older one was damaged and botched together, or even the stand was from a glass globe? I know that older globes 17th, 18th centuary one that were made into drinks cabinets, you know the big wooden ones. Had new maps printerd and pasted over the old ones to bring them upto date when new countries were 'discovered'.
Martin

mrmoosehead · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2008, 10:26:44 AM »

And not after 1960 ref Belgian Congo. So it's between 1949 and 1960 11 year window, can we get any closer?

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2008, 11:37:21 AM »

So is this correct then, as I understand it to be:

a) Persian changed to Iran in 1935, but the globe says Persian in larger letters, but Iran is written above it

b) Siam changed to Thailand in 1949, but Thailand is above the word Siam, but then Siam is in larger letters, and *also* has brackets around its name like this (SIAM).

c) Then Germany changed also in 1949, when it divided, but the globe shows a complete Germany

d) Yes, the coronation took place in 1953, as I am aware they also visited Canada. As I also have a stamp (exhibitor for photography stamp) from a FINE ARTS SHOW in (I think) Rochester Museum of Arts here, and it states the coronation, and the visit here to Canada....

((( I will post that special large stamp another time for the coronation )))

I had found these earlier, and had them all in bookmarks, but Ann got me to change over to firefox, etc, etc...and when we moved (my son did it) all the bookmark were messed up, so that is what took me so long here...sorry for that....

www.trademe.co.nz/Toys-models/vintage/photos/a-136412028/p-44283982.htm
www.sportingcollectibles.com/AntTinToyTob/toy26338globein.jpg
http://www.murrayhudson.com/antique_globes/06160g.jpg
http://www.murrayhudson.com/antique_globes/globes.html
http://www.murrayhudson.com/antique_globes/globes_8inch.html

and E Bay.UK 190184328780 but this one - someone has painted the base, and it states so in the ad

Sorry it took me a while....all my bookmark are

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2008, 09:56:31 PM »

And what year did the Belgian Congo thingy take place.....

And this is an interesting thing to watch for in maps, or globes....so I think, the very fact that this globe *shows* the world *changing* as it was right then, it another positive point to the note.

And, I think now, we can say.....

(I think) that the globe, and the stand do have a date earlier than (circa 1953), as these would have needed time to be made up, and to change/approve the new reign on it, and in keeping up with the changing word.....BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN.....

They were getting the globes ready for the Wedding, and during that printing time -- Wedding, Publicity, the demand to put these on the market....and the country changing....well it was impossible to meet everything going on, so i (might) say 1948 or 1949 (leaning towards maybe late 1948) since the word SIAM is in brackets...must have known it was to change, BUT had not changed yet.....who knows???

Been a most interesting topic, and I will be watching for this interesting fact for any more globes. I think if we can find them -- GRAB THEM

skay · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2008, 11:55:05 PM »

A bit off topic but some might not know that the title of Queen Mother doesn't necessarily mean the mother of the Queen. It means a former Queen who is the mother of the monarch.

Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons was Queen and mother to Elizabeth 11 and the Queen Mother before her was Queen Mary who was the mother of the monarch George V1. I think.

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skay · « **Reply #18 on:** January 19, 2008, 12:32:07 AM »

Oh dear - I thought I'd worked it out, never previously tested outside my own head though. My theory was partly based on my thinking that I'd heard that Queen Mary was the previous QM.

I'll get back to my books and post an apology in due course!!!

Off for some ginger, lime and strong cheese before bed....

xx

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #19 on:** January 19, 2008, 09:19:06 AM »

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about Queen Mums, also worth linking through to Queen Dowager http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Mother