Author Topic: Red and black deer (Read 9760 times)

Lustrousstone · « **on:** July 30, 2007, 04:20:10 PM »

I'll start then. This unmarked deer looks like she could be Blue Mountain Pottery from Canada but she's not in terracotta, the usual BMP base. She's in a fine hard white earthernware with what looks like specks of mica in it. She a good weight and the glaze is lovely quality, really smooth and shiny and touchy feely. She's 6.5 inches long - a bit small for a BMP deer (7.5 in) - and she's facing the wrong way round for a BMP deer. Canuck Evangelina is another possibility but they used terracotta too. Thanks to Tony (TC) for help so far.

notapotterycollector · « **Reply #1 on:** August 04, 2007, 06:41:44 AM »

Ive looked around and around as I thought Id seen this somewhere before. But all I keep coming up with is the Doulton Flambe? series. But I guess that would be clearly marked if it was?

Trudy

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #2 on:** August 04, 2007, 12:28:36 PM »

She's completely unmarked with an open base. Doulton Flambe is terracotta and marked I think. Poole has closed bases (apart from one hole

), is marked and the earthernware is different - I found some on Thursday to fondle. I still keep coming back to BMP, particularly as they did make some white earthernware stuff.

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #3 on:** August 25, 2007, 04:24:33 PM »

She has a playmate now, same glaze, give or take the usual variations, but he's in terracotta. Anyone please

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #4 on:** August 27, 2007, 02:58:48 PM »

The black is brown really and I've just noticed a hairline in the deer

but here are the bases

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #5 on:** August 28, 2007, 10:52:51 PM »

Hi..I am sure I have seen that design while on the

....but it was in Blue/black, and listed BMP. As a Canadian, I too have BMP...let me check my bookmarks, and I'll try to get back to you....But the clay is not as dark red as BMP usually is...let me check around...

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 28, 2007, 11:00:27 PM »

is this similiar....e.bay, canada.....190144654500 item number ??

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #7 on:** August 29, 2007, 07:50:14 AM »

Yes and no. There are several significant differences. My deer has different leg moulding, is slightly smaller, is facing the wrong way and is in white earthenware (which could be OK). The bear I feel is more likey to be BMP, but I have yet to finish checking him out.

Sue C · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2007, 11:28:18 AM »

Another red one only this one is marked Bangor Pottery, found this in a cupboard, forgot i had it

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 29, 2007, 04:32:46 PM »

Hi, I do have some BLUE MOUTAIN POTTERY (BMP), as those are marked so on the base.....but I also have these CAT/DOG WITH BOWTIES, and they look like BMP, but there is no markings to ascertain it to that. The clay appears to be correct, but with no markings-are they BMP? Was all BMP marked? Or some Unmarked?

I realize their were other Canadian companies such as Evanlegine, McMaster (etc) making this sort of ware, as I do have some of those wares also (heh, heh--I'm a Canadian, so of course I am going to collect it) but those of mine are marked as such of those other companies. So how does one prove this is BMP?

So are these *true* BMP? With no marking? Are they any less $$ just because they are unmarked, if they are BMP ?

THANKS..

** (Photos sent for re-sizing)

josordoni · « **Reply #10 on:** September 29, 2007, 05:52:30 PM »

Quote from: antiquerose123 on September 29, 2007, 04:32:46 PM

Hi, I do have some BLUE MOUTAIN POTTERY (BMP), as those are marked so on the base.....but I also have these CAT/DOG WITH BOWTIES, and they look like BMP, but there is no markings to ascertain it to that. The clay appears to be correct, but with no markings-are they BMP? Was all BMP marked? Or some Unmarked?

I realize their were other Canadian companies such as Evanlegine, McMaster (etc) making this sort of ware, as I do have some of those wares also (heh, heh--I'm a Canadian, so of course I am going to collect it) but those of mine are marked as such of those other companies. So how does one prove this is BMP?

So are these *true* BMP? With no marking? Are they any less $$ just because they are unmarked, if they are BMP ?

THANKS..

** (Photos sent for re-sizing)

In my experience, anything that is unmarked, unless it is so dramatically obviously from a specific factory, will not have the same market value as something properly marked. Sad but human nature I guess.

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #11 on:** September 29, 2007, 09:50:17 PM »

Having looked extensively at BMP on the web, I doubt your dog and cat are.

Your dog and cat are shown in green drip here, but I still don't think they're BMO

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 30, 2007, 06:21:09 AM »

I now did find this site, as I do know that there were other colors used for BMP, so I just googled that and got:

http://www.glassmenagerie.com/blue_mountain_pottery.html

Now I have also found on this site the following:

http://www.gypsyrover.co.nz/bluemountain.html

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #13 on:** September 30, 2007, 07:11:36 PM »

There's quite a range of BMP colours but their upright dogs and cats don't seem to have bows

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 30, 2007, 08:39:12 PM »

I did find a some BMP bowtie animals, in the same style as mine. It is on just Ebay: Item number: 190141544560 and a pair, Item number: 190157960616, and another item number 120146785589.

And a Harvest Gold one on Ebay.ca, Item number: 290160359925

On Ebay.co.uk, I found this one: Item number: 220143709263 and this one has the label stating it is BMP. This one is "Harvest Gold" also.

On Ebay.ie (wherever that is??) I found this one: Item number 290160359925 and it is harvest gold, too...

I should most likely take another better photos of mine in better light, and try to get a bit more clearer... and re-post them. I do (believe) mine to be BMP...but alas, it looks like I am not going to get rich...lol...unless I sell them in the UK

(This one had almost 1000 views - so interest is there ??)

** (Take note): I have just bought a funny colored vase for $1.99 here, and it is marked on the bottom with a different Blue Mountain Stamp. During trying to research these "Bowtie" animals, I web-stumbled on the same color of vase that I have of this other stamped BMP. This one is on Ebay.ca, item number 190069980238. Mine has the exact same stamp on the bottom. My vase is a different style, by the color is similar, and stamp exact. At least this BMP vase listed on E-bay.ca is worth a bit ($ 124.99), and I only paid $ 1.99 for mine

I have taken photos of mine, and will post as soon as son gets them on computor. All I know, that I will be on the look-out for these colors, and stamp for any future BMP hunts....this appear to different, more collectible, and high return price. If anyone else out there collects BMP, please "watch" out for these *HIDDEN BMP TREASURES*....
-Rose

** (Will post my little treasure a.s.a.p)

Edited to add... Anyways, the note I put at the bottom about a vase was NOT BMP, but rather Medalta Pottery. I was thinking two things....SORRY. I was getting sleepy, since our time difference is so great...the other stuff in the post was for BMP though, the Cat & Dog with bowtie...

Rest of topic split off to Cafe by Moderator

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #15 on:** October 30, 2007, 07:37:24 AM »

Oh, I'll have an investigate, thank you

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #16 on:** April 27, 2008, 12:36:39 PM »

Perhaps Mac can help with these two. I'm pretty sure they're not BMP and they were both found in the UK. You might just have come across them before ...

Quote from: Mac

Hi, the bear, I'm 99.9% certain, is Canadiana Pottery from Ingleside Ontario. I would have been sure that the deer was also Canadiana until I saw the white clay.
They are definitely not BMP.
I'll make some enquiries and get back to you. A number of the Canadian pottery company's have used white clay at one time or another. Blue Mountain used it for a number of different collections over the years.
The cat and dog with the bow ties in the same thread are BMP and the Harvest Gold Glaze dates them to the eighties.

Cheers

Thank you Mac, I have looked and looked but only concluded not BMP

Quote from: Mac

Hi all, Sorry I couldn't get a positive ID on the red deer I must try harder. lol

Cheers

Thank you for trying.

Mac · « **Reply #17 on:** May 06, 2008, 01:47:36 AM »

I came across these pieces of Canadiana pottery on ebay. Two of them are made from white clay and the elephat has an identifying label on it. So I would say that there was a strong case for your deer to be Canadiana.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Canadiana-Pottery-Canada-lot-elephant-horse-cat_W0QQitemZ230248663051

Cheers

Lustrousstone · « **Reply #18 on:** May 06, 2008, 10:38:53 AM »

I know what you mean, but I'm still not convinced. On the deer the glaze is so dark as to appear back rather than the brown it is. The Canadiana glazes look more see through as well.

antiquerose123 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 06, 2008, 09:10:36 PM »

Quote from: Lustrousstone on May 06, 2008, 10:38:53 AM

I know what you mean, but I'm still not convinced. On the deer the glaze is so dark as to appear back rather than the brown it is. The Canadiana glazes look more see through as well.

or Maybe Evangeline/Canuck ware....

I see what you mean, so dark, so smooth - very contrasting.