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Offline Sue C

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« on: October 10, 2007, 10:44:50 AM »
I had heard that someone had bought the moulds and was reproducing Carltonware items.
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2007, 11:12:44 AM »
Hi,

I've got the Collecting Carlton Ware book, 1999, by David Serpell. There's 3 pages on Reissues, Reproductions and Counterfeits.

p.24.

"Some moulds and patterns used to make lustre designs in the 1920s and 1930s (notably some of the popular Chinoiserie patterns like Mikado and New Mikado also Paradise Bird and Tree) were reused in the 50s by Wiltshaw and Robinson/Carlton Ware Ltd., and again in the early 1990s by Grosvenor Ceramcs, though with a reduced pattern. Similarly cruet designs first produced in the 1930s were made again during the Arthur Wood era of the 1070s, and again in 1990/1 by Grosvenor."

none of these are fakes or reproductions.

p25.

"Counterfeits"...... " unscrupulous individuals using old moulds of Carlton Ware and then reproducing these items for sale with a fraudulent backstamp. These include a large number of the celebrated Guinness advertising pieces of the 1950s, with the "Zoo", and both wall-mounted and table-top toucans being targetted;, some cruets, among them the Crinoline Lady set; a number of the more collectable novelty items, including the JCB teapot and the Mephistopholes or Red Devil tankard.
All of these are counterfeit.."

"in general...all..suffer from loss of definition in their moulding and paintwork is of a poorer standard....in the case of the red devil mug, the counterfeits show the devil in black trousers.....he was originally dressed in red.2

"intent to decieve is clear from the carefully reproduced W&R Crown backstamp on the base - .... this mark had been superseded by the time the devil came out - and it should not be on top of the glaze!"

"Early in 1997, after an undercover operation....Bob Snow was arrested, charged and convicted of deceptively producing Carlton Ware and other valuable, collectable pottery. There is strong suspicion that this counterfeiting is still going on..."

Don't know if that helps - if you've got any specific questions, please ask!
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 11:44:21 AM »
Thanks Sue.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 04:14:19 PM »
 ;D

I'm not exactly sure how much you can put in without copyright things getting in the way - I think my quotes are exact and I put dots in where I missed words out, but without losing the meaning.

bottom line is, I've got the book, I can always look it up for you Sue, just yell at me!

There's not too much about the "retro" trendy stuff in it though. It's mostly the lustre ware, the enamel ware and the embossed ware. Loads of stuff on marks and pattern numbers.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2007, 10:43:36 PM »
Ho Ho!

I just bought 10 Carlton money boxes!

one horse, two pigs, two trains, one owl, one Scotsman, a cat and ....two Noah's Arks!

Piccies as they get taken out of the box and cleaned up...



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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2007, 02:47:59 AM »
Ho Ho!

I just bought 10 Carlton money boxes!

one horse, two pigs, two trains, one owl, one Scotsman, a cat and ....two Noah's Arks!

Piccies as they get taken out of the box and cleaned up...

Ohhh, I can hardly wait to see the Scotsman.   :dog: Are they going to be for sale?   :notme:

Carolyn  :tea:

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2007, 08:51:46 AM »
Oh yes!!  I'll alert you all in the sales section when they go on...

which will be this week sometime I would think...

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2007, 11:32:58 AM »
I will certainly do that... I'll just put one base on, as all are very similar (obviously same date more or less)

Have to say they are NOT cheap anymore.  :boohoo:.. I had to hold my breath and keep bidding after I had reached my top...

but for some strange reason I WANTED THEM!!!!! And no other bug*er was going to get them... :ft: I had bid on another lot a couple of months ago somewhere else, and missed on them, and I wasn't going to lose these ones.

It must have been the mood of the day too... I did the same thing for a batch of Halcyon Days boxes.  Ho Hum... I am sure I am going to get my money back, fingers crossed there will be some profit in it too, but perhaps not as much as I would like.  :thd:


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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2007, 12:40:15 PM »
They're all up now - I've put the link in the shop forum - I'll get to putting the individual pics here for future reference later on - got to finish the VAT...

 

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